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Old 01-25-2017, 12:20 PM
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English key book 2, page 54

It says أخرى is a diptote but its ending never changes so how is this possible? I thought a diptote is a noun that can only take a damma or fatha unless it is definite with ال or is مضاف then it can also take a كسرة.

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Old 01-25-2017, 08:03 PM
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Wa'alaikumussalam.

Your question is valid, but you will have to wait till Book 3 Chapter 34 to know the detailed answer  That's the very last chapter of the Madinah Books series !!!

The Arabic term of diptote is Mamnu' min as-sarf. By definition, it means a noun that is deprived of tanween (see page 208 of the Glossary book). Ukhraa is also deprived of tanween, and the reason is that there is an extra alif maqsura at the end. That's why it's diptote. You will learn the details when you read that chapter.

If a diptote takes dummah in marfu', then it takes fathah in both mansub and majrur. This does not apply to words like Ukhraa, as it does not have dummah when marfu'.
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Old 01-26-2017, 04:48 PM
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Thank you brother Tanweer.
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Old 03-23-2017, 06:29 AM
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Assalamualykum

Okay I just completed Book 3 Chapter 34 but I still can't get my head around this. Why isn't أخرى mabni if it's ending remains the same in states of نصب ,رفع and جرّ?
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Old 03-23-2017, 01:14 PM
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We must carefully look at the definition of diptote. By definition, a diptote is a mu'rab noun that does not accept tanween for one or two specific reasons (see page 148 of key).

The definition does not say anything about "ending remaining same". So we can not say that a word is mabni' just because it looks same in marfu' / mansub / majrur.

All mabni' words remain unchanged, but all the words that remain unchanged are not necessarily mabni'.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:35 PM
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We must carefully look at the definition of diptote. By definition, a diptote is a mu'rab noun that does not accept tanween for one or two specific reasons (see page 148 of key).

The definition does not say anything about "ending remaining same". So we can not say that a word is mabni' just because it looks same in marfu' / mansub / majrur.

All mabni' words remain unchanged, but all the words that remain unchanged are not necessarily mabni'.
Jazakallahu khayran for your explanation.

A mu'rab noun is a noun whose ending changes so how can a word like أخرى be a mu'rab if its ending never changes?
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:08 AM
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Assalamu Alaikum.
This is not a diptote. CORRECTION I MEANT IS NOT MABNEE.
See lesson one of Book 3. It is explained in the key.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:17 AM
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This is not a diptote.
Brother, it is a diptote -- as mentioned at page 54 of Book 2 key.
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:22 AM
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Sorry.
I stand corrected.
I meant to say is not MABNEE.
Thanks br Tanweer
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