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Old 07-07-2017, 09:46 AM
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Book 2 English key, Page 81, Lesson 25 , Point 4

As-Saalamu-Alaykum

I'm confused. Is there any reason a fathah has been placed on قَبْلَ and بَعْدَ especially when the text specifies it should have a dammah when the مضاف إليه is omitted ?



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Book 2 English key, Page 81, Lesson 25 , Point 4

As-Saalamu-Alaykum

I'm confused. Is there any reason a fathah has been placed on قَبْلَ and بَعْدَ especially when the text specifies it should have a dammah when the مضاف إليه is omitted ?



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وعليكم السلام

If you mention a مضاف إليه after قبل and بعد , they have fat7ah:
ذَهَبْتُ قَبْلَ ذَهَابِكَ
خَرَجْتُ بعدَ خُرُوجِكَ

But if you remove the mudaaf ilayhi, they receive a single Dammah, for example:
كان مدرساً من قبلُ

In the examples you quote:
ذهبت إلى المسجد قبل الأذان, ورجعتُ بعدَ الصلاةِ

The mudaaf ilayhi (underlined above) is present, hence they get a fathah

Hope this is clear
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وعليكم السلام

If you mention a مضاف إليه after قبل and بعد , they have fat7ah:
ذَهَبْتُ قَبْلَ ذَهَابِكَ
خَرَجْتُ بعدَ خُرُوجِكَ

But if you remove the mudaaf ilayhi, they receive a single Dammah, for example:
كان مدرساً من قبلُ

In the examples you quote:
ذهبت إلى المسجد قبل الأذان, ورجعتُ بعدَ الصلاةِ

The mudaaf ilayhi (underlined above) is present, hence they get a fathah

Hope this is clear
I appreciate your response brother Abdullah. But why does قَبْلَ and بَعْدَ have a fathah in the text without the mudaf ilayhi? Is it a typo?
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I appreciate your response brother Abdullah. But why does قَبْلَ and بَعْدَ have a fathah in the text without the mudaf ilayhi? Is it a typo?
I think I understand now:

You are refering to the sentence where it says: "We know what "qabla" and "ba3da" are always mudaf", is this correct?

If that is the case: in this situation there is no arabic sentence/context, so there is nothing to dictate what the vowel sign should be
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I think I understand now:

You are refering to the sentence where it says: "We know what "qabla" and "ba3da" are always mudaf", is this correct?

If that is the case: in this situation there is no arabic sentence/context, so there is nothing to dictate what the vowel sign should be
Shouldn't it be قَبلُ and بَعدُ?

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Shouldn't it be قَبلُ and بَعدُ?

The sentences you are referring to are not Arabic sentences. They are English sentences where two Arabic words are being mentioned.

If you are speaking English and mention a single Arabic word, don't worry about the i3raab/vowel sign. If you are speaking Arabic on the other hand, the rules of grammar/i3raab apply

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Book 2 English key, Page 81, Lesson 25 , Point 4

As-Saalamu-Alaykum

I'm confused. Is there any reason a fathah has been placed on قَبْلَ and بَعْدَ especially when the text specifies it should have a dammah when the مضاف إليه is omitted ?



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Walikumusslam, the words قَبْلَ and بَعْدَ are zarf and zarf is always masub(fathah). So, when قَبْلَ and بَعْدَ are mentioned own their own they are written with fathah.

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