What is......... thread

[oceanic]

Salam

Is it okay if i ask a few what is questions in this thread? I tend to come across a few words which i don't know the meaning off, and it helps if someone explains it.

Hope it's okay.

To start off with, what does this word mean?

as-kou-nou
tas-kou-nou
yas-kou-nou
nas-kou-nou

all i can tell is that first word is in "first person", second is in "female form", third is in "masculine form", and fourth in "we" form, but i don't know what it means.

Also does anyone know what a words natural (base) form looks like, the one from which all the other froms are derived from? Knowing the original form helps a lot, but i rarely get told what it is, like its asumed everywhere that students are supposed to know naturally what this form is (maybe i missed something somewhere).

[adilbarra]

Originally Posted by oceanic

Salam

Is it okay if i ask a few what is questions in this thread? I tend to come across a few words which i don't know the meaning off, and it helps if someone explains it.

Hope it's okay.

To start off with, what does this word mean?

as-kou-nou
tas-kou-nou
yas-kou-nou
nas-kou-nou

all i can tell is that first word is in "first person", second is in "female form", third is in "masculine form", and fourth in "we" form, but i don't know what it means.

Also does anyone know what a words natural (base) form looks like, the one from which all the other froms are derived from? Knowing the original form helps a lot, but i rarely get told what it is, like its asumed everywhere that students are supposed to know naturally what this form is (maybe i missed something somewhere).

wa alayka salam;

You have asked an excellent question. To ask a question is to only way to learn what we do not undersand, and the source is from Allaah. All praises are for him.

To answer your question, the four verbs you are asking about are all in the present tense. The first letter of the verb indicates that the verb is in the present tense (it is called sign of present). Sometimes they are called 5 in your pocket (by the instructor), for easy memorisation. In addition, the base form for the verb you are asking about is in the present verb is called sakana, which means he lived or to live. This verb is in the past tense, and it is in bab (group) nasara (past) and yansuru (present.) This verb at hand is called sakana (past), and it's present form is yaskunu. Finally, you can find this verb with many others in the hand book provided by the Institue of the langauge of the Qur'an.( i beleive its in page 5, 6 or 7) which is used by this brilliant Arabic teacher, brother Asif Murali. May Alllah perserve him and give him a longer live to perserve the language of the Qur'an. I hope this brief explanation guided you to understand the concept of what you asked, and I hope that you succed in this course because it's outcome is very beneficial and rewarding; baraka Alllahu fe wa salatu wa salam ala rasulana


سكن (past) -----> (present) يسكن

[oceanic]

thanks, i think i got some clarity from your explanation, the rest will probably come with time.

[mmp_31]

Originally Posted by oceanic

Salam
To start off with, what does this word mean?

as-kou-nou
tas-kou-nou
yas-kou-nou
nas-kou-nou

all i can tell is that first word is in "first person", second is in "female form", third is in "masculine form", and fourth in "we" form, but i don't know what it means.

Also does anyone know what a words natural (base) form looks like, the one from which all the other froms are derived from? Knowing the original form helps a lot, but i rarely get told what it is, like its asumed everywhere that students are supposed to know naturally what this form is (maybe i missed something somewhere).

As salaamu alaikum

1) as-kou-nou = أسكن
2) tas-kou-nou = تسكن
3) yas-kou-nou = يسكن
4) nas-kou-nou = نسكن

The above 4 examples are the present/future tense verbs. In present/future tense the signs أ, ت , ي, and ن are called علامة المضارع(signs of present/future tense).

Hence in:

1) أ is extra which leaves you with the root سكن

2) ت is extra leaving the same root word.

3) ي is extra leaving the same root word

4) ن is extra leaving the same root word.

Note: number 2 as you correctly state is feminine third person, however it could also be masculine second person.

As for how to spot them, I think you probably have not been through مزيد verbs hence at the moment its difficult to explain. However, the more you check the words up in the classical dictionary the quicker you will spot the root. Its all about reading and understanding the root and which vowel marks goes on a certain letter and why. If you do this then you will master arabic even though over time you may not fully remember the rules of grammar.

Was salaamu alaikum

[oceanic]

Originally Posted by mmp_31

As salaamu alaikum

1) as-kou-nou = أسكن
2) tas-kou-nou = تسكن
3) yas-kou-nou = يسكن
4) nas-kou-nou = نسكن

The above 4 examples are the present/future tense verbs. In present/future tense the signs أ, ت , ي, and ن are called علامة المضارع(signs of present/future tense).

Hence in:

1) أ is extra which leaves you with the root سكن

2) ت is extra leaving the same root word.

3) ي is extra leaving the same root word

4) ن is extra leaving the same root word.

Note: number 2 as you correctly state is feminine third person, however it could also be masculine second person.

As for how to spot them, I think you probably have not been through مزيد verbs hence at the moment its difficult to explain. However, the more you check the words up in the classical dictionary the quicker you will spot the root. Its all about reading and understanding the root and which vowel marks goes on a certain letter and why. If you do this then you will master arabic even though over time you may not fully remember the rules of grammar.
Was salaamu alaikum

i'm having trouble with that, recognising what is the 3 root letters. Without knowing them, every word slighlty adjusted throws me off completely, and seems to be a new one to me.

As you said i haven't actually gone through any of the grammar yet properly as they seem to not stay in my head, which leaves me . So i thought if i learnt a little, some nouns here and there, some phrases etc, anhything. I'd have something to pin the grammar onto so i understand the rules and can remember them.

[mmp_31]

Originally Posted by oceanic

i'm having trouble with that, recognising what is the 3 root letters. Without knowing them, every word slighlty adjusted throws me off completely, and seems to be a new one to me.

As you said i haven't actually gone through any of the grammar yet properly as they seem to not stay in my head, which leaves me . So i thought if i learnt a little, some nouns here and there, some phrases etc, anhything. I'd have something to pin the grammar onto so i understand the rules and can remember them.

As salaamu alaikum

I understand your dilemma, My advice is learn all the grammar becuase there are different kind of verbs. Hence you need to learn the different forms of verbs. Following that you can open a book and start applying that grammar. Obviously, the important step is applying that grammar properly where even the simplest mistakes at the start will occur but believe me, once you understand how to apply rules than reading arabic is quite simple and recognising the root letters even more simpler. First you have to learn grammar (sarf and nahw) though.

Another point is if you feel you have to go through a book than whatever verb you dont understand than post it in this thread Insha-Allah maybe I can give some tips. With practice you will understand it better. As well as any grammar rules.

Was salaamu alaikum